Listen to the podcast Modra soba, in which Dr. Sanja Rozman talks with Dr. Metka Kuhar, an author, researcher, and professor who writes about trauma. In the podcast, they discussed the concept of trauma and the development of psychotherapy, the dynamics of co-dependent and violent relationships, toxic shame and submission, narcissism, forgiveness, and self-forgiveness. Dr. Sanja Rozman also spoke about her personal experiences that influenced her to focus on the treatment of non-chemical addiction and co-dependent relationships and how to achieve change in the heart. ”Once you realize that you’re okay, that the world is okay (if you’re just a little careful), and that most people are okay too, it’s a real change of heart. And a small group that takes these kinds of changes seriously and enforces them through itself can make a difference in society.